[Compcomm] Let's Get Things Started

[RYX]

Am Montag, den 16.04.2007, 08:27 -0400 schrieb nesl247:
> Hmm... I thought that compiz was going to be the core, while
> compiz-extra would be all else. And would be "renamed" so that compiz,
> nor beryl remained, as to make it so neither project swallows the
> other?
This is and has been the idea of some people that came out of nowhere
and wanted to re-join the compiz-community (but of course only if compiz
satisfies their requests).

There was no idea of merging or re-joining among the compiz-comunity up
to that point. We designed our idea of comiz-extra to make life easier
for everyone, not to make ourselves the new celebrities or to reach the
stars with our incredible new DE (which doesn't even contain a useable
settings-manager right now).

When the idea of a "merge" was brought up (I don't know who brought up
that term - I hate it), at least 75% of the compiz-community were
_against_ fulfilling a single requirement of that "merge on"-thing. 

Remember - we (the compiz-users) are "refugees" ... we were robbed
everything we had. People took away what we liked and worked on, renamed
it to something they prefered and left us with nothing in hand. We were
screamed at and some of us were insulted and told to shut up ... We
rebuilt everything we have today with our own energy and passion.

So - is it soooo difficult to understand that we feel the way we do???
We are not acting as a bunch of 3 or 4 people here, we are acting in
sense of hundreds of members of our community ... Mike even more than
anyone else around here.

If David wouldn't have talked about the _possibility_ of fulfilling the
needs of a wider user-base by creating a more feature-rich package out
of what Jeff described as "compiz-extra", you would NEVER have any valid
argument for getting through all this "merge" ...

> 
> Mike, if what I said was true (above), then why do you keep insisting
> that everything remain compiz? From my viewpoint, the only thing that
> compiz truely had over beryl was core feature changes. A lot of stuff
> was implemented by beryl developers.
> 
> "> If anyone wants to flame me for this, go ahead, my email address is
> > nesl247 at gmail.com and I'm willing to read each and every flame, in
> > fact I welcome it, at least then I know people are actually caring
> > about these projects.
> >
> 
> You guys have to get out of the habit of calling anyone who does
> not agree with the beryl world vision as a troll or a flamer.
> 
> It has been a major cause of your problems so far."
> 
> I wasn't calling anyone a flamer, nor was I speaking on behalf of
> beryl. I'm was simply stating, if anyone disliked what I wrote, and
> had the need to flame me for it, simply contact me so we can keep it
> out of this mailing list.
> 
I think Mike's point is that some people always start crying "help,
flamwewar!!!" whenever they see that their arguments are weak and
unrealistic (or someone else just tells the truth). That produced the
totally untrue vision that we (as compiz-admins) always attack the poor
little beryl-project ... all those friendly guys who only want to create
the next generation desktop exeperience.

It is quite understandable that he (and me, too) gets mad at this.