[Compcomm] [Re: The Next Step]

[Will Farrington]

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 13:57 +0200, RYX wrote:
> Taking the risk to repeat myself, I will quote myself :D ... Either my
> previous mail didn't make it through or this is another case of simply
> ignoring important arguments in favor of a salesman-show ...

Because yours and Alex's posts are so much better than a
"salesman-show"?

> What benefit does it give ANYONE, if the forum-software is NOT chosen in
> a way to ensure we have people working on it and help improving it?

You seem to be of the belief that you and Alex would be completely
incapable in all forms of helping to maintain the vBulletin forum.

That's not true at all.

> Why is it so difficult to let the professionals, long time
> web-developers and php-coders who are offering to "care and code" (and
> already proved to be able to do so in form of the beryl/compiz forums)
> let have the say in this decisison - especially since they agree with
> the community's majority-vote?

Because your word as a web developer and a php coder is automatically
more pertinent and relevant than my word as a web developer and
php-coder (in addition to my long and varied experience with the forum
softwares in question)?

> What benefit does it give the community (or anyone) if the
> forum-software is chosen in a way that all professional web-devs refuse
> to work on it because it is not free and open? Will, are you alone going
> to write plugins, create the themes, integrate the forum with the rest
> of the site - whenever there are any things to do? I doubt.

Writing plugins is unnecessary for a rather large margin of tasks.
There's a whole site that works in conjunction with vBulletin called
vBulletin.org where vB users post plugins.

As for theming vBulletin, it's not difficult and it's not as if we'll be
changing the theme every week.

> Again: This has _nothing_ to do with emotion - it is pure logic. I don't
> see the smallest reason or motivation to work on a commercial piece of
> software if I don't get a cent paid for it and I won't be able to re-use
> what I learned.

Some of us think that doing the best thing for the project and giving
our time is enough.

> If I work on free software, I feel good to just
> contribute without getting paid and learn a lot.

You can learn from closed source software too. I learned a lot about web
design with Photoshop.

> That's maybe not
> understandable for non-developers, otherwise we wouldn't have to argue
> about something so obvious ...

You seem to have blatantly ignored where I've not only ran and
maintained more sites than I could remember to list, but that you're not
the only person who knows anything about PHP on this Mailing List.

> (Sorry for repeating me but this discussion is done with a very false
> argumentation - but of course, only the OSS-fans are acting emotional
> and for their own morality ;) ...)

Requesting a decision sans moral interference is not a stance based in
morality.

As for false argumentation... anyone has yet to actually show where
phpBB3 is technically superior to vBulletin in terms of maintainability,
security, or extensibility.

> Rico
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