[Compcomm] A possible forum merge proposal

[Guillaume Seguin]

2007/4/26, Mike Dransfield <mike at blueroot.co.uk>:
> Guillaume Seguin wrote:
> > 2007/4/26, Mike Dransfield <mike at blueroot.co.uk>:
> >
> >> Guillaume Seguin wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2007/4/26, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> i can't remember where i said it, but it doesn't matter (probably in this
> >>>> thread somewhere close by, sorry if i repeat myself so soon after posting
> >>>> this....)
> >>>>
> >>>> get a team of people to work on a phpbb3 forum
> >>>>  and another team to work on a vb forum at the same time
> >>>>
> >>>> after a while, (few weeks/month/whatever) the team with the most problems
> >>>> stops what they're doing and helps the other team...
> >>>>
> >>>> it would waste effort, yes, but in theory it would stop the arguements, as
> >>>> this would prove which forum is better, both in terms of functionality and
> >>>> in terms of what suits our needs....
> >>>>
> >>>> .....*sees the future, expects logic to be turned upside down*........
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I have an idea.
> >>>
> >>> Lets get a team of people to work on a fork of compiz, call it "Beryl"
> >>> And then get a team to work on Compiz
> >>>
> >>>
> >> You may be joking, but from my point of view it DOES look like
> >> a branch or a fork will be necessary sooner or later.  David has
> >> rejected the transparent cube patches.  I am not sure how much
> >> change to core is needed but they looked fairly large.
> >>
> >> David wants to redo the drawing interface before adding anything
> >> like transparent cube.  I suspect it will be a few months before that
> >> is done, in the meantime beryl users will be screaming for the lost
> >> feature.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > They'll just use beryl, or something will be done in that sense. But
> > we (as the beryl developers group) aren't going to split again. Sorry.
> >
>
> Beryl will be unsupported in 6 months wont it?
>
> If not then you will need to keep the forums up and running so
> any talk of merging forums and making them read-only.
>
> Do you expect the new forum to support beryl and compiz?
>
> >
> >> I am really not sure what will happen here, but its beginning to
> >> remind me of the xinerama patches.
> >>
> >
> > The Xinerama patches never got a reply, there's a huge difference there ;)
> >
>
>
> He didn't reply to your original posts, maybe because they
> were in html format.
>
> Either way, someone else bumped the subject a few weeks later
> and here is the reply.
>
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2006-June/000282.html
>
> ;)

This is not a direct response, and came one month later. And I'm not
sure that not replying to a mail because it's html is a valid reason.
But this is the past, again.

>
> >> As other people have said, this
> >> is all WAY too early, hardly anything from beryl seems to be 'merged'
> >> yet.
> >>
> >>
> > Plugins are, libbs is being heavily worked on... It's not because you
> > aren't doing anything in that sense that noone is working.
> >
> >
>
> libbs and bcop seem to have some useful features which David
> is taking on board.  I do not think he is prepared to accept libbs
> or bcop and he is implementing the features independently.
>

You can use them, and this is all that matters. You can use gconf,
ini, or bset. That way everyone is happy.

> The two people who seem to be working on the merge are David
> and onestone, but like I said, not a lot is getting through to the
> core.
>

And Danny, and Roi.

> > But all this is absolutely not the topic of this thread. And please
> > don't tell me I have pushed you to talk about it, it was just a pure
> > example.
> >
>
> My answer to 'lets create a new forum for the new software
> and make all posts read-only because nothing applies to the
> new software' is there is no sign that the code merge will happen
> any day soon.

If there's a single thing which comes from Beryl, then Beryl stuff
somehow applies.
If there's a single thing which comes from Compiz, then Compiz stuff
somehow applies.
But not entirely, because it's Beryl stuff (at least the plugins) +
Compiz stuff, so that they don't really apply. New problems will
probably occur, but who'll know if it's due to Compiz or Beryl?

> Especially once you consider the minor fixes and
> features and fixes.

You have always claimed that beryl was just compiz with a gem logo,
why would there be anything to merge then? And the plugins you ported
were maybe just useless dust? If so, why did you lost sooooooo much
time to port them?

> Everyone seems to be only concerned with
> the plugins, libbs and then creating a new forum.
>
> What about the actual reality of what this forum will be
> supporting?  Will it be another compiz-quinn 'branch'?
>
They'll support the fresh ports of the plugins you ported in the past,
for example, as well as compiz-core, libbs, the decorators, the
settings tools, things like gnome-compiz-manager. That sounds worth
it.