[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)
Mike Dransfield
mike at blueroot.co.uk
Thu Jun 14 19:01:26 EDT 2007
Robert Carr wrote:
> There is when an extras package implements nearly 100% of the actual
> user visible functionality, and another group could create an entirely
> seperate extras package with separate functionality.
>
Are you seriously trying to say that if you disable the following
plugins you will have somewhere near 50% of your original
functionality left?
By most people's standards, the computer would be non functional
without these.
png, svg, regex, place, decoration, move, resize, wobbly, cube,
rotate, water, blur, scale, switcher
If you mean bling, then maybe you are right, you should create
the compiz-bling forum, mailing list, bug tracker, planet... Like
I said, it would not be a united community which I think is the
goal.
If you agree with me then please vote with your feet and
post on compiz.org and not opencompositing.org. Do not keep
wasting time on endless discussions. It will be the users that
decide, but they should be told the truth, not being told what
they want to hear.
> On 6/14/07, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i agree
>>
>> there's no point in marketing an extra's package
>>
>> and there is already the whole compiz community thing at compiz.org
>>
>> (and it already has a theme :P)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/07, Michael Roy <michael.roy1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Re-sent in an attempt to correct my formatting issues. My apologies:
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings, my handle is MikeMLP in the opencompositing.org forums.
>>>
>>> Just about all of the suggestions made here sound good to me. If we
>>> really are about to start voting round two, the community at
>>> opencompositing.org needs to know exactly what it is voting for. Since
>>> the "Community division" is a part of the Compiz umbrella, then
>>> everything related to both "divisions" really should be hosted at
>>>
>> compiz.org. There should be one forum, and a "Community division"
>>
>>> subsection at forums.compiz.org. The compiz.org homepage should be
>>> updated and extended to reflect this, and explain this structure to all
>>> visitors. If this is the plan going forward (as I think it should be)
>>>
>> then this
>>
>>> must be made painfully clear to the opencompositing.org members
>>> before voting round two gets underway.
>>>
>>> As a "side effect" of this plan of integration at compiz.org, this means
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> the new name would matter "less" than if it had its own web site, because
>>> compiz.org would be the "place" for everyone to go. In other words, the
>>> power of the new name would, through this very organizational structure
>>> be diminished, and Compiz would be the "main name" known by all. I
>>> know that that is probably a problem for some people who wish to
>>> "compete" directly against the eye candy in Windows and Mac OSX, but
>>> really, we have to walk before we can run. Isn't Compiz still alpha
>>> software? Personally, I think Compiz is a fine name for marketing, and
>>>
>> if
>>
>>> people want to theme their eye candy a certain way, then that could be
>>> something the community division decides to turn into a
>>> community-driven project in the future.
>>>
>>> As Jeff said on page 39 of the infamous name poll thread:
>>>
>>> - Compiz-Extra and Composite Community are not easy to brand and are
>>> quite forgettable (on purpose). A good name should be memorable and
>>> be easily identifiable. Think of Apache and the apache feather logo.
>>> Apache would have been an excellent web server without the name and
>>> logo, but with them it easily became the most popular. While we don't
>>> generally think of an open source project as having competition, in one
>>> sense we are competing for the Windows desktop mindshare, and we
>>> need every advantage we can get if we ever want to see Linux succeed on
>>> the desktop.
>>>
>>> For now, Compiz IS the brand, and should remain the brand. The name
>>> works fine, the bling can be community-themed for the purposes of
>>> polish. If in the future, things need to be simplified when a "mass
>>> audience" exists, then there will be a time for that sort of discussion
>>> among all members of the community. I really think the focus right now
>>> should be to get everyone under one roof. That will do much more to
>>> prevent community fissures than a subset of the community attempting
>>> to do a big marketing push prematurely.
>>>
>>> Jeff also said:
>>>
>>> -We wanted to move past the acrimony of the past and use a name that
>>> didn't stir any anger or have historical "baggage".
>>>
>>> I think integration of the community as well as the code transcends any
>>> remaining acrimony. By design of the merge, everything is now Compiz.
>>> So unless Compiz itself is renamed too, which I think is something that
>>> most people are not ready for yet, everyone needs to accept that
>>> everything, even the "community division" is still going to be Compiz,
>>> regardless of if the "community division" has a flashy new name for
>>>
>> itself.
>>
>>> Mike Dransfield < mike at blueroot.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Firstly, I really have lost interest in what you guys do, I suspect that
>>> a lot of
>>> other people have too. This is just a post to make my opinion clear so
>>> that people
>>> know.
>>>
>>> I have never been against creating a merged community, but I seem to have
>>> been branded a non-cooperator because I came to these conclusions when
>>> everyone thought we were creating 'new software'.
>>>
>>> Promoting anything other than the compiz 'brand' will only lead to a SPLIT
>>> community not a joined happy one. There will always be people who will
>>> support compiz so there will always be duplication and waste. Its not
>>> just me
>>> and RYX, I feel the entire compiz community has been left out of these
>>> discussions. The closest we have is this thread.
>>>
>>> http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=745
>>>
>>> Here were my ideas for what to do with this mess. Unfortunatly, I have no
>>> say in it whatsoever, so its down to the 'community' to do it. For some
>>> reason
>>> I stopped being part of the community and I became 'compiz' at some point.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Drop the opencompositing.org forum, as many people have pointed out
>>> it is just a duplication of compiz.org. It should never have been
>>> rushed into
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> - Speak to David about pointing 'community' subdomains such as
>>> forum.compiz.org
>>> planet.compiz.org etc to the current spare server. Move
>>> forum.compiz.org over WITHOUT
>>> DATA LOSS. The domain ownership and www. subdomains should remain as
>>> they are
>>> for obvious reasons. Extend the menu on www.compiz.org to include these
>>> extra
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> - Create releases for the plugins (ie as tar.gz's), release to the
>>> fdo.org compiz
>>> releases directory (anyone with git access to fdo can do this). If you
>>> are worried
>>> about plugins 'tarnishing' the reputation of compiz (which is probably a
>>> valid
>>> concern), then label them properly, anything like compiz-plugins-* will
>>> do. If you
>>> try you could have 4-5 package names done and out within 24 hours, pick
>>> names which describe what they are so things are clear.
>>>
>>> - Anything which is not a plugin, package in another package. If there
>>> are lots
>>> of small apps which only work with compiz, then call it compiz-apps (or
>>> something
>>> like that)
>>>
>>> - Drop libbs/libccs/libcompizconfig and work on making a settings tool
>>> which
>>> does not rely on one plugin. Work with David to get your legitimate
>>> requirements
>>> added to the existing framework. Creating a settings manager which only
>>> works
>>> for < 30% of the compiz users is not very good. You might as well just
>>> access gconf
>>> directly since thats what > 70% of the users will be using anyway. You
>>> cannot
>>> complain how awful gconf is, but then use gnome, it does not make sense.
>>>
>>> - Promote compiz and these extra plugins. You guys are very good at
>>> that, its
>>> a shame that everyones hard work is treated with such disrespect and is
>>> thrown
>>> away all the time.
>>>
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