[Compcomm] A funny situation

[Franz Rogar]

2007/6/18, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com>:
> I would have really prefered if more people would answer on my more
> serious mail. :)
>
> Am Montag, den 18.06.2007, 14:54 +0200 schrieb Franz Rogar:
> > 2007/6/18, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com>:
> > > Imagine this "funny" situation:
> > >
> >
> > Imagine this other "funny" situation:
> >
> > > A friend visits me and says: "Oh you have a nice desktop there and such
> > > cool transparent windows. What is it that creates such nice compositing
> > > effects and transparency?".
> >
> > I answer him: "This is my compositing window manager. It's an open
> > source project ;) You can take a look at opencompositing.org. What
> > you're seeing is Compiz (the core) and some plugins made by the
> > community called CompComm. Also, in the web page, you can find other
> > interesting open source compositing applications as kiba-doc and
> > screenlets."
> I bet your friend didn't understand anything of what you say, except all
> your friends are computer-freaks (which does not really represent the
> average end-user). Even the term "window manager" will confuse most
> non-Linux users - especially in non-english speaking countries.
>

At least, the 90% of my friends are Windows users and they DO
understand all those terms 'cause I've tought them all to them. And
they're not freaks at all, they only use the PC to work (even,
majority doesn't have internet conection).

"window manager" term is easier on non-english speacking contries (at
least in spanish).

> > Note: I'm sure that a my friend doesn't know anything about
> > compositing, if not he/she will know about Compiz, L3G, Metisse etc...
> He will also not know what open-source is - because he is not interested
> in all that. He only sees a nice "Windows" that looks better than his
> one. I assume this is one of my friends who don't know much about
> computers.
>

See prior response. Also, I must say I managed to some of them to
begin to move to opensource and avoid some similar closed-ware apps.

> >
> > > He says: "Now that's cool - where can I get
> > > it? At compiz.org?".
> >
> > As I stayed clearly that they're "open source compositing"
> > applications, he/she will look for them at "opencompositing.org". So,
> > he/she will not ask that.
> You missed the point of my other mail. Everyone is free to create his
> own community - but he shouldn't abuse this re-unification for it. The
> whole oc.org-thing extremely breaks its original purpose.
>

Maybe I don't get your point, but maybe you don't get mine neither ;)
Probably, in the way of "new project", the purpose was amplified.
(free thoughts, just finished my 10th exam...)

> > > He seems surprised and asks: "So I can go to opencompositing.org and
> > > just download that compiz window manager?".
> >
> > I answer hime: "Yes, but you'll get only the basic interface. As I
> > stayed previosly, you can download the community plugins called
> > CompComm".
> Now there goes the user-friendliness and I have to help and install him
> all the extra-stuff from all other locations because he doesn't want to
> read a book only to be able to use his computer in a more "enhancing"
> way. :D
>

Wrong. If all is kept at oc.org and packages join the group, then,
evrything will be at "one repo line".

> > >
> > > He is even more surprised and asks: "But why can't I just go to
> > > compiz.org and download that compiz window manager and all those nice
> > > effects and plugins and addons?".
> > >
> >
> > He/she will not ask this, unless he/she is idiot 'cause I've stated
> > that "it's opensource".
> Badly spoken most end-users are idiots if you want to see it like that
> (I don't mean this offensive against anyone). That's why we do what we
> do, right? Simplifying things and helping users.
>

Is not more simplistic to have EVRYTHING on oc.org that splitted on
oc.org and compiz.org? Also, see prior response.

> > I add: "You can take support on opencompositing.org for both compiz
> > and compcomm. Info about those proyects can be found also in
> > opencompositing.org and, for more concrete info about Compiz, you can
> > see "compiz.info" (not compiz.org)
> You don't find that confusing?
>

Yep, that's why I suggest having evrything on oc.org and deprecate
compiz.org (why is on another thread, I just don't remember which one)

> > > He says: "Ahh I see ...", while walks away confused and irritated.
> > > Straightly back to his windows PC.
> > >
> >
> > Are you thinking my friend is subnormal?
> Most windows users appear subnormal to me from time to time - but that's
> the way it is. Bad information leads to bad behavior. ;)
>

100% agree XD

> >
> > > This is what you all aim at.
> > >
> >
> > Don't get wrong: you must give accurate and structured info to friends
> > if you want they stay with you.
> I don't think it is accurate to confuse them and in the end do it myself
> and they don't even know what the name of that "bling" on their desktop
> is. They'll think it is "just Ubuntu - something like Windows" ...
>

I've not said anything to confiuse them. Even, I've told each term
based on prior ones. Clean and clear. That's it. So, as you say, it
doesn't matter if "COMPIZ" appears on big red lights on webpage,
'cause users will thought "just Ubuntu - something like Windows", so
you're agreeing my arguments ;)

> >
> > > Rico
> > >
> >
> > I think you still see the bottle middle-empty of water instead of middle-full.
> I see things realistic. Realism often seems pessimistic beause in
> reality there are obstacles and disadvantages which shouldn't get
> ignored. I am an optimist, otherwise I would have given up long ago.
>

I'm also optimistic, that's why I think that community will finnaly
agreed on moving evrything to oc.org, that's my opinion :)

> :)
> >
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-- 
Thanks in anyway,
        Franz Rogar