[Compcomm] OC.org forums (was: Re: Forums)

[Ketil Wendelbo Aanensen]

On 6/21/07, nesl247 <nesl247 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) Beryl Project.org forums were shutdown when the new project
> started. Same was supposed to happen to compiz.org forums.

I know. Your point being?

> 2) Yes people were forced to move to oc.o. That's because it was the
> new domain. Had it been compiz-fusion.org, we would have moved there.
> And I bet there still would have been an issue

Probably not if this had been planned in a more transparent way.
Meaning, a sudden shift of forums was a little bit of a shock.
I disagree with RYX on both some of his points and his tendency of
aggressiveness, but I really do believe he has a point when it comes
to rushing things. If there had been *clear* and *open* communication
to the community what the plans were, I think the annoyance would have
been less. But that would of course mean that the devs would have to
agree.
I bring this up now, not to rehash the past (which I have pointed out
several times as counter productive), but in a hope that these kinds
of problems can be avoided in the future.

> 3) I don't have an inflated impression of what oc.o means to people. I
> know they only use it because that's where the forums were. But it
> means something to them now if the forums were to be dropped.

You seem very proud of your opinion that we are sooo happy with oc.o,
even though many were pissed after they were coerced out of the
Beryl-forums. Why would the user respond in a different way now? I,
for one, think that if the users are told that "this is the definite
forum change, they will from now on be held at forums.compiz.org",
they will comply happily.

> 4) As I've said before, that was an issue in the Quick Reply mod,
> which has thus been removed.

But you have not commented on my point with "&" has not been adressed?
Have you tried it out?

> 5) If you're saying you have a problem with me, you don't have to hide
> behind "one of the admins". It's nice ixce, and it's not Saguratus, so
> it's obviously me.

What difference would it make if I had singled you out?

I am confident that you make a good contribution to the community, but
sadly I have only seen the less productive sides of you. That's a
shame for both of us. You see, I get a little aggravated when people
debate using expressions like "That just won't happen". (Ironically, I
had a similar view on RYX and Mike earlier. After they have been
challenged on this, they have shown different sides.)

You can take this whichever way you want, but I'm hoping that you will
explain your views in a mature way in the future. Who knows, I might
agree with a lot of what you say to.

If I have hurt your feelings or something like it, I am truly sorry.
It is nothing personal.

Sincerely, Ketil

> On 6/21/07, Ketil Wendelbo Aanensen <ketil.w.aanensen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 6/21/07, nesl247 <nesl247 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We "rushed' into oc.o, and look what it is today. A great forum with a
> > > huge source of information.
> >
> > That is because the people at forums.beryl-project.org was forced to
> > go there, myself included. I think you have an inflated impression of
> > what oc.o means to people.
> >
> > I gladly moved to forums.b-p.org when I replaced Compiz when Beryl was
> > a reality. I moved to oc.org because I was forced to. I'll gladly move
> > back to forums.compiz.org when that is established as the official
> > community source for Compiz Fusion.
> >
> > [snip]
> > > planning things out for months. Also, the arguments are, and only seem
> > > to come from a few of you, who came from compiz.org.
> >
> > I'm not from compiz.org at all.
> >
> > > And I don't see how the compiz forums are well designed, and oc.o
> > > isn't? I haven't heard any complain about the forums. Certainly not
> > > it's organization.
> >
> > Me as a user: I, and several others have some problems with at least
> > one of the admins, RYX reported that quick replies go MIA, I reported
> > that writing an "&" ends whatever you're writing.
> >
> > - Ketil