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[Ketil Wendelbo Aanensen]

On 6/22/07, Alyssa Hung <deciare at isisview.org> wrote:
> Ketil Wendelbo Aanensen wrote:
> > On 6/22/07, Alyssa Hung <deciare at isisview.org> wrote:
> >> I'm not sure I understand how the stated intent of the merge will be
> >> upheld. If I'm not mistaken, the intent is to have a single forum that
> >> will encompass all discussion related to Compiz (+ Fusion).
> >>
> >> But if opencompositing.o is to continue existing as a separate project
> >> (as per Quinn Storm,
> >> http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compcomm/2007-June/001181.html; and
> >> delfick,
> >> http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=803&hilit=), then
> >> its forums will surely exist as well. Even if all posts, user accounts,
> >> permissions, and other miscellaneous data are migrated perfectly, what's
> >> stopping the users from _choosing_ to re-register at opencompositing.org
> >> and continuing from where they left off?
> >
> > Nothing is stopping them, except:
> > 1: a notice saying that official support forums is now on
> > forums.compiz.org / forums.compiz-fusion.org (which could point to the
> > same place)
>
> That's certainly preferable to either forum assuming a "get out and stay
> out" attitude, which would be analogous to what happens in event of a
> merge + lock.
>
> > 2: developer support of the official forums.
>
> The developers may communicate as they wish. If they wish to do it on
> compiz.org, I have no quarrel with that.

My point is that developers (too) should maintain support focus on the
official forums. Focusing on 2 makes the know-how less centered and
less user friendly.

> > 3a: hopefully, reducing the number of Compiz Fusion subsections in
> > oc.org, making it e.g. just "Compiz Fusion talk" (thus merging all
> > those threads to that subsection,
>
> I don't see how deliberately rendering oc.o less usable is a productive
> use of our resources.

How are 2 forums offering the same support (only not as good as the
one official wuld be), for productive?
If you think that OCO should stay excactly as it is after the project
has settled on 1 official support forum, we're back to square one
again.

> > or 3b: pointing the Compiz Fusion sections over to the official forums.
>
> Isn't that effectively like locking the Compiz-related forums on oc.o? I
> was under the impression that as two separate projects, the two sites
> shouldn't try too hard to interfere or become dependent on each other's
> operations.

Yeah, but as the admins on OCO has pointed out, those forums will be
for discussing all things composite. Why would we have the same
support options in both? Don't you see that that splits the community
all over again?

Read my ideas to Nesl on what OCO could (IMO: should) from yesterday.
It has been stated several times that OCO is a project with goals that
are different from Compiz Fusion as an enhancement set to Compiz.
Unless this is no longer the case, building the whole project around
Compiz Fusion would probably keep other projects from joining, because
they have no interest in being a minor detail on the site (of course I
can't be sure of this, but I'm hoping I won't have to find out.

- Ketil

Older:
> >> It's certainly possible to lock all Compiz-related forums on
> >> opencompositing.org and make rules that forbid discussion of Compiz
> >> there, but opencompositing.org can hardly uphold its scope as a place of
> >> collaboration for open source compositing communities in general if it
> >> excludes a community as significant as that of Compiz Fusion's. It's
> >> also generally more productive to make suggestions about what should be
> >> discussed as opposed to making rules about what cannot be discussed.
> >>
> >> It doesn't appear feasible to ensure that Compiz-related discussion will
> >> take place exclusively on compiz.org. Short of putting (IMO
> >> unreasonable) rules in place on opencompositing.org, are we prepared to
> >> accept that there may be people who _choose_ opencompositing.org (and
> >> distro forums, IRC, IM, and other computer/tech forums, etc.)?
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Alyssa
> >>
> >> Dennis Kasprzyk wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> as many of you have already realized, we have 2 forums (forum.compiz.org and
> >>> forum.opencompositing.org). Nobody really want to give up his forum but it
> >>> also makes no sense to have both up.
> >>>
> >>> My proposal is to merge both forums. Yes, iXce can do this. The admins of the
> >>> current forums would then be the admins of the merged forum and would need to
> >>> work together. forum.compiz.org and forum.opencompositing.org would then
> >>> point to the same forum.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if this would be possible but we could try to create a domain
> >>> specific style. If not it should still be possible to find a style that would
> >>> make both sides happy.
> >>>
> >>> Dennis
> >>>
> >>> (This mail was resend using a different smtp server and the original mail will appear in 1-2 hours)
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