[Compcomm] Forum Decision

[Franz Rogar]

2007/5/11, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com>:
> What happens to compiz.org? Is it now deprecated? I don't understand how
> exactly the new forum is meant to integrate with the compiz-website - if
> it is at all. If it isn't - what do compiz users do if they want
> support? Go to the opencompositing-forums? That is a highly
> unprofessional presentation of compiz and its greatness.
I'm 100% with you. Just why not do a redirection from forum.compiz.org to
opencompositing.org? Just an idea (not very elegant but... a solution).

> And what do we do if the community has finally chosen a new name? Move
> everything again? Rename all forum topics? Rename the entire folders,
> files and comments in git? Rename all packages? The name "compcomm"
> appears so often that one could think it is meant to last forever.
Oh, please, as spanish mod, please, if you're going to choose a new
name, do it soon, please. I use now to simplify Compiz/CompComm to
C/CC. Why choose a name soon?
1 - End-users will agreed
2 - To define, finnally, the targets of compcomm

> On the one hand people talk about no duplicated effort and on the other
> hand they do things over and over again - that is not the type of
> organization this project needs. The git-repo is a total mess, too.
Not flames, please. From my pov, the current works done are different
enought to say they're not a "totally" duplicated effort. You're right
when part of current things are dup, but I think it's better till
conversion is near usuable & quality-coded.

> I know that you see me as the unconstructive troublemaker anyway so I
> don't expect you to understand my point. I just don't agree that much
> with your future vision of the project. Compiz as a project has (had?) a
> somehow professional attitude while "compcomm" doesn't appear much like
> that in many areas (not in all).
I think people sometimes has rason and other times not. As example:
"compcomm" is in a HUGE re-write to try to make evrything work (as
end-users want), while Compiz is walking with right steps (as
distributions want). I know code quality will level up soon, but I
know it needs time 'cause many core options *aren't yet* or *will not
be* on core and plugins&apps need to be re-structured/coded/deleted.

Also, meanwhile Compiz has a clear leader (David), CompComm doesn't
have any yet (who says "leader" mean a "leader team" too :) ) probably
because there's noone willing to apply or they're overhelmed with
their jobs/lives having not enough spare time to lead such kind of
project.

> I don't want to complain all the time but I can't understand why we
> should simply accept getting a "compizified" beryl-project as new
> replacement for compiz. The current state of what some people refer to
> as "compcomm" is by no means acceptable as a full replacement.
First: "replacement for compiz." I've read this idea so many times in
this ML that it's getting bored. That "compiz" never existed. Compiz
is the core. What you're saying is the "compiz-extras" (or, as mikedee
pointed, tarballed plugin sources for compiz).

And you, if you think it's not right "compizfiyng" beryl, I suggest to
choose a plugin, an folder in git and talk with ppl and begin to
beryling compiz :) May sound rude, it's not intended to be (dunno how
to express it on english, I'm not english-native)

Also, I think porting evrything from beryl is not the best option. I
want remember a thread somewhere (ML, or forums) which pointed out
different plugins (and why they) from beryl-plugins or compiz-extras
as elegible to begin working with.

PD: I think the last 3 responsed I wrote could be on a new thread to
keep this one clean :)

> Rico
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 10.05.2007, 17:51 -0400 schrieb Jeffrey Laramie:
> > I can hear you all groaning at the thought of starting this discussion up
> > again. Trust me, I'm not looking forward to it either, but it's an issue that
> > needs to be resolved and time is not on our side here.
> >
> > At this point I don't see any benefit in rehashing any of the previous
> > discussion. It's been almost 3 weeks since we stopped discussing the forum
> > and sadly a lot has changed.
> >
> > Since the discussion ended, the activity on the Compiz forum has dropped by
> > more than one half. At this point there are only 2-3 active threads and the
> > rest of the posts are from newbies looking for support. The Beryl forum has
> > been locked up completely. The "new" forum has had lots of people join, but
> > few of them are from Compiz. I don't have exact stats on usage, but
> > subjectively I'd say it's less than half the volume of the old Beryl forum.
> >
> > We are fortunate that the code merging is going well, because our actions, and
> > to a certain extent our inaction, have caused a great deal of harm to our
> > user and enthusiast communities which use these forums. I'm not about to
> > start pointing fingers and laying blame because there is plenty of blame to
> > go around and many of us share in it.
> >
> > The original agreement to reunite envisioned merging the forums from each
> > community.  While we have demonstrated that this is technically possible, I
> > no longer see any point in it. Except for a couple threads on the compiz
> > forum, there are no active threads to merge and it simply isn't worth the
> > effort any longer.
> >
> > While I'm strongly against the way the new forum was created, I think it's
> > design incorporates the best features of both the Compiz and Beryl forums and
> > it uses phpbb3 which many people seem to prefer. I worked on it a bit last
> > night and added a few categories so that it is better able to support the
> > compiz-core package. I think all of us are willing to make further
> > adjustments if there are areas where this layout needs improvement. For those
> > of you who haven't seen it, you can find it here:
> > http://www.opencompositing.org
I'm 100% with you. Only one question: why is a beryl sub-forum on
CompComm Users forum when there's a Beryl forum? I think it fits
better on Beryl forum :)

> > I'd like to propose that we select this forum as the "official" Composite
> > Community forum.
> >
> > Jeff


-- 
Thanks in anyway,
        Franz Rogar